MALE MAYHEM: Foo Fighters drama, Barry Diller's confession, Jay Leno revisits feuds, Tommy Lee's marital issues, Brian Austin Green‘s TMI revelations

This week's episode covers some male-centered entertainment news.

• Barry Diller, Diane von Furstenberg's husband and prominent media executive, has revealed more about his sexuality and his marriage to the famed DVF designer.
• Tommy Lee's and his wife, Brittany Furlan, are living separately amidst marital strife after Furlan strayed from the marriage with a catfish pretending to be Ronnie Radke.
• Brian Austin Green continues his tour of badmouthing his ex, Vanessa Marcil, and praising Megan Fox. Is this a secret attempt to get back in Fox’s good graces?
• Dave Grohl axed his new drummer, Josh Freese, and Freese let the world know about his Foo Fighters firing via Instagram.
• Jay Leno joined Graham Bensinger for a conversation that revisited his Late Night feud with Conan O'Brien.
• I'm done discussing Meghan Markle. 
  
  

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Chapters

• 58:04 Foo Fighters fire drummer Josh Freese
• 7:18:07 Barry Diller discusses his sexuality
• 12:21:07 Brian Austin Green discusses toxic exes
• 17:48:05 Jay Leno revisits late-night feud
• 24:38:02 Tommy Lee and Brittany Furlan have marital drama
• 29:22:09 Meghan Markle's British Vogue snub

Transcript

Hello and welcome to the Dish Master. I am the Dish Master and you are listening to entertainment news with a side of dish. Okay, so on the last podcast, I talked about family fractures as a theme.

it will be a male themed podcast today.

I have been accused of picking on women a little too much. And so for the fun of it, we are going to devote this podcast to the men in our lives. And here we go.

So today we're gonna talk about Josh Freeze exiting the Foo Fighters. We're gonna talk about Diane Von Berg's husband, dropping a bombshell in his new memoir. We're gonna talk a little bit about Brian Austin Green and his toxic relationship, as he calls it, with his ex Vanessa.

Marcel, a little bit of Meghan Markle, just 'cause I can't resist. And then we will give you the drama between Brittany Furlan and Tommy Lee. Yeah, this is gonna be a good one, so stay with me. Okay, let's start off with Josh Freeze of the Foo Fighters. You might not know who Josh Freeze is, but he is a bit of a legend in the drumming community.

He does a lot of session work and stage work, which is a big deal because most drummers are good at one or the other. Session work is when you are called into the studio. To play the drums on an album because the band's drummer might not be cutting it, and so they wanna hire an expert to cut the drums.

You might not know this, but a lot of bands that you love when they go into recording studio, it's not actually the band members that are recording the album that you're listening to in your car. They pull in the experts sometimes and. One of those experts is Josh Freeze. And again, he's very unique because he can play on stage and in the session room and a lot of drummers just don't have both.

They don't have the stage presence and the technical chops. So Josh is a bit of a unicorn. Anyhow, Josh was called upon to, I don't wanna say replaced, Taylor. Taylor Hawkins, who tragically died, um, but he was called upon to join the Foo Fighters. Now a little bit of background on the Foo Fighters. They're not actually a band per se, so in order to be considered a band,

You split the profits evenly amongst the band members. So when you go on a tour, if your profit is $10 million, you split that $10 million, five ways clean. The Foo Fighters are not a band in that sense. Dave Grohl runs a business operation and everybody that plays with him is.

Paid a salary like a corporation. And so it's Dave's decision of who to pay what. And by all accounts, Dave is a great guy to his band members because nobody really is left in a huff.

So Taylor, Hawkins and Dave were known to be great friends. Taylor had talked about working with Dave and how much he enjoyed it, and so all we know of this band is that this system is working. They are obviously paid what they consider to be a fair wage, and so everything was going well. When they hired Josh Freeze, they hire him as a hired gun, right?

He is also paid a salary and he is not in the band. He is a hired employee. So Josh was recently. Let go from the Foo fighters. I have to say, I thought the decision to hire Josh was a little bit strange to begin with just because Dave is a Titan. Josh is a titan, and I could just foresee that this would not be a match, two alphas in the room together so I could predict that this would not work.

And also I just didn't understand Josh tying himself down to a band. He's a guy that gets hired per session to fill in when drummers are either injured or can't perform or are tied up. So it didn't really make sense to me why he agreed to be a permanent member of the Foo Fighters, but.

That's neither here nor there. So Josh was recently let go and this is what he posted on Instagram. The Foo fighters called me Monday night to let me know they've decided to go in a different direction with their drummer. No reason was given. Regardless, I've enjoyed the past two years with them, both on and off the stage, and I support whatever they feel is.

Best for the band. In my 40 years of drumming professionally, I've never been let go from a band. So while I'm not angry, I'm just shocked and disappointed. But as most of you know, I've always worked freelance and bounced between bands, so I'm fine. Stay tuned for my quote. Top 10 possible reasons Josh got booted from the Foo Fighters.

Okay. In the vein of men behaving badly, I think the statement was very unprofessional and a little bit beneath. Josh Freeze's brand again. Josh is a unicorn in the drumming community. Everybody knows he's the best of the best to post a statement on Instagram. That's a little bit, woe is me, is just beneath him.

It just feels unprofessional when you've been in the game this long. And I also feel like if you know you're the best in the business and you got let go, then that means it's for personality and there's something about your personality that just didn't go along with the band. And so do you wanna hear that on the phone?

I get it. I certainly would. I would wanna just get hit between the eyes and say, you just don't vibe with us. That would make me feel better to just know that, but most people are not like that. It's a very awkward thing to call somebody up and say, yeah, you're great, but like, Dave just doesn't like you, dude.

I mean, that's a weird thing to do. It's sort of like. I have these girlfriends that come over for girls night, and we talk about dating a lot, and one of the themes that come up from both girls and guys, by the way, is I don't understand why I got dumped. Everything seemed great and then it didn't, and it's like, do you really expect the other person to call you up and tell you the moment they got the ick on you?

Do you really want them to call you and say. Yeah, I thought I was attracted to you, and then I just saw you bend over and pick up the thing you dropped and I thought, ugh. Or whatever it is that gives somebody the ick on somebody or it's just an essence, a feeling, an aura, a misconnection. It just doesn't work.

And so there seems to be this like quest to know why, and that never goes well. A friend of mine, asked for the answer and got it. And the guy wrote back. And said, you just complained a lot on the date and I felt you were a little bit negative when you were talking about all your friends, and that's just not energy that I want in my life.

And she unleashed on him. What do you mean? I was negative? Obviously proving his point, but also proving the fact that it's never. Going to end well when you actually give The reason that the chemistry isn't working, it just isn't. And again, because Josh is such a titan in the industry as a drummer, he doesn't really need feedback on his professional chops.

So, two things. One is, yeah, they're not gonna give him reason. And two is, Josh, you've worked in this industry long enough, you don't need to post on your Instagram. A pathetic missive searching for an explanation from Dave Grohl. We're adults. He doesn't like you, you didn't vibe with him.

It's obviously an emotional thing too because his friend who was the drummer, passed away. So these are big shoes to fill and it's big chemistry to duplicate and you guys just didn't have it. Okay. Let's move on to the next story, which I find to be very interesting. Uh, this one is about Barry Diller. So Barry Diller is married to Diane Von Furstenberg, who's a fashion designer and pretty much an icon in the fashion world. And Barry is a prominent businessman. And so. Him and Diana have been married for I think about 20 years.

She was previously married to somebody else and she had two children with him. They separated in the seventies, divorced in the eighties, and then she met Barry, I think in like 91. Um. Anyway, the point is Barry came out with a memoir in which he confessed to being a homosexual, but said he still loves Diane and that their relationship is real and filled with passion in spite of the fact that he's known he was gay since he was young.

So here's a clip of him talking about his passionate love for Diane Von Stenberg. Within minutes, it was pure desire and it was a steamy romance.

Yes. Oh, yes. It was. Those things. And you make it clear. I mean, I'll just put it out there. Your relationship with Diane is not just platonic. No, no. It didn't start that. No, no, no, no, no. You're lovers. Uh, yes. It seems to me like one of the, I find this type of journalism always to be very funny, where the interviewer's basically saying.

You fuck, right? It just, every once in a while I come out of my pop culture podcast hat. I take it off and I think, what has the world come to that we are blatantly asking somebody about their sex life on national television, like where is the modesty? But anyway, again. Neither here nor there. The point is Barry Diller has come out as a homosexual who fell in love with a woman who is his current wife, Diane von Furstenberg.

He implies that they have a bit of an open relationship. It seems as if he continues to have sex with men. I would guess. I don't know that she has sex with men also on the side. I think their relationship is fluid. Um. Now I pose the question, which I have a friend listening who I know what her answer will be, but can you be a gay man that falls in love with a woman?

Is it possible? There's a book called The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo, and anybody who has not read that book, please, please read it. It's one of my favorite books. And this question gets posed in that book and one of the. Questions about this idea is like, does that make the love even ever, the more real that he prefers men his whole life and then he meets this woman who doesn't change his sexuality, but he loves so much and is so attracted to her that he.

Makes an exception. He feels a way that he is never felt before and he connects with her does that make it more unique, more precious, more special, or is this man kidding himself? Um, you know, him and Diana have been together for 20 something years, so Sure. I think it's possible. I know people who have done this.

And then, he's saying that they're lovers, but let's just take that out of the equation for a second let's say they don't have sex and they are best friends. Isn't that a nice life to marry your best friend, your gay best friend, and live 20 years together and do what you want on the side?

I don't know. The traditional part of me says, marriage looks a certain way. Marriage looks like monogamy. You spend your lives together. That's what you're committing to. If you open it up, then what is the point of the union in the first place? Aren't you just people who fuck and hang out?

Are you really married? Is that a union? And then the other part of me says to each his own, if it works for them and Diana's happy and he's happy and he feels fulfilled and she feels fulfilled, who am I to define the relationship for them? Who am I to pass judgment on what they choose to do with their lives?

Um, yeah. I don't have an answer to any of those things. That's up for you to decide, but I certainly found it to be. Really interesting. Um, I believe him when he says that he feels passion for her. I believe him when he says that they're lovers. I don't, it was also brought up in a previous conversation that I heard, you know, is this embarrassing for Diane von Furstenberg to have him reveal this well.

I'm sure he asked her. And she was fine with it. Just read the book. Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo, come back to me and we'll have another conversation about your take on this. Food for thought. I'm gonna talk about Brian Austin Green. So, Brian Austin Green is somebody who is in a bit of an enigma to me.

For those who don't know, he's an actor. He gotta start on Beverly Hills, 9 0 2 1 oh. And I just find. Him to be strange. He was married to Fox who? He broke up with him 500 times and he just stuck in that relationship. I never understood it. She was very young when they got together.

Admits having fallen in love with other men while they were together. Ultimately filmed a movie with MGK, her current, baby daddy and left Brian Austin Green for MGK so before Megan Fox, he had a child with another actress named Vanessa.

Marcel, I think they met on the set of Beverly Hills 9 0 2 1 oh. She was on the show at the same time, and he talked about his past in relationships,

so he said that. His mother tended to smother him. And if he's looking for a woman, he now wants quote. The complete opposite of that. I had some major missteps because of that. The relationship that I had with Vanessa was very toxic in that way, it wasn't a loving, caring relationship. He also said that he thought his ex was quote, trying to help me and fix me and get me through things.

But after two years or so, you're kind of looking at yourself in the mirror and you're like, who am I at this point? So that relationship ended up not working out. Then Megan Fox, she was a breath of fresh air coming out of what felt like Vietnam to me. Okay, Brian? Always pokes the bear when it comes to Vanessa.

Marcel. So the history here with Vanessa is that they had a child together and then when Brian met Megan Fox, Vanessa alleges that Megan iced out, Brian's son from his life that everything was fine. He was an active father in his son's life. And then Megan comes along and suddenly Brian's son doesn't even know where they live.

And then right after Vanessa came out and said that Brian reconnected with his son. So the backstory here is muddy and I don't really understand it, but every single time Brian mentions Vanessa, Vanessa. Gets very angry and responds and so Vanessa then posted a screenshot of something very nice.

Brian told her, I guess to like point out that he's full of contradictions and then Brian said.

I wasn't placing blame on anyone. If she takes things that way, then there's nothing I can do about it. It's pretty obvious just in listening to the things that I say and what it is we do on our show, that that's not our intention. He explained that his intention is to help people, especially those who go through.

Toxic and tough situations. Um, bullshit. He could have very easily not named Vanessa on the podcast. He could have said, I was in a relationship where I felt smothered and what I learned from it is that X, Y, and Z yes, people might have inferred, it was about Vanessa, but if he didn't mention her name specifically, it would've.

Not poke the bear on Vanessa's side. And so I just thought it was very poor taste. And listen, the other thing I think is poor taste is when you have a child with somebody. Everything is at a different level in terms of the respect. You have to give that person, this woman raised your son. Give her a little bit more respect than mentioning her by name, calling her toxic, and saying, you felt like you got out of Vietnam after leaving that relationship.

And then furthermore, this is where I say Brian Austin Green as an enigma. Megan Fox has admitted to falling in love with other men while in a relationship with Brian, and yet he still deifies her in retrospect and that relationship.

They were always breaking up and getting back together. And so I just feel like it's bizarre to hold her up in such high esteem in comparison to Vanessa. And then I asked the next question, which is something 50 cent said once to quote the wise poet 50 cent every time you.

Make mention of an ex in a positive light publicly, he feels as if you are putting an olive branch in that direction, as if to say, Hey hun, if you ever wanna come back here I am. And while I'm not necessarily saying that's what's going on, it's certainly has occurred to me that. Now that Megan Fox and MGK broke up, Brian Austin Green finds himself in a relationship with s Shana.

They have a child together, but does he maybe wanna reconnect with Megan now that Megan's back to being available? I don't know. I just think this is a very complicated situation that involves him being messy on podcasts. So yeah, you don't need to use people's names. And I should say, just to be fair, he did say very wonderful things about Srna his now woman in his life as he should, after a very reckless spewing of historical data about his exes. Okay. Let's move on. So I stumbled upon this clip. It's Jay Leno kind of rehashing the late night feud.

I'm not gonna dive into late night feuds because it is so complicated, but here's Jay Leno discussing what exactly went down with Conan when the Conan period was going on, and he said in his monologue. Yeah. And I just wanna say to the kids out there watching, you can do anything you want in life.

Unless Jay Leno wants to do it too. That got under your skin. Right. Well, here's the thing, Zucker. Comes to see me and he says, ner wants you out. I, he wants the out, they want the show he had, what's his name behind him, the big agent. And, uh, they want you out. I said, well, I got a five year contract.

Well, yeah, but after that you gotta go. Is that what you want? He goes, you know, uh, and so we, we were talking, so I said, I'm still number one. And then, one of the guys at Zucker said, we want what's above number one. I said, what is that? What is it? And then they realized how stupid that sounded. I said, guys, you want me out?

I don't wanna die of a thousand paper cuts. You want me to leave in five years? I'll leave in five years. I made a big thing. Okay, I'll leave in five years. Okay, fine. Thank you. My parents were both passed away. I need to prove anything at this point. Okay, fine. Five years come. Zucker calls me and he goes, I think we made a mistake.

I go. What do you want me to do here? Well, I don't think Conan's gonna work it. I go, guys, you already made the steal. Okay. He said, well, how about this? How about you do a half hour at 1130 and Conan does the tide trail from 12 to one? I go, I don't care if you think that'll work fine. He goes to Conan, Conan says no and writes his thing.

Okay? And then of course, Letterman Kimmel, uh, stern, they have a feeling Leno screwed by. All hell kind of broke loose during that period. Yeah, there was, uh, there was no, you know, people would say, uh, one guy came up to me. He said, uh, uh, Cohen had the show and then you demanded $150 million and they had to give it to you.

I go, why would, why would they have to give it? They fired me. Why would they have to? It doesn't make any sense. What are you talking about? It's just a business. You know, they wanted both. They wanted to have Conan and me at the same time. And that wasn't gonna work so. The Jay Le o' Conan O'Brien Feud has always sort of baffled me because obviously it's about the network executives making a lot of blunders, and somehow both parties got dragged into it.

But I also never really understood why Jay Leno was villainized in this situation, because many people believe Jay just refused to step down. And conan never got a fair shot at the Tonight Show. However, I felt Jay was incredibly disrespected because in what world are you on top?

Because he was on top at the time. He had the ratings and somebody says to you, fire him in five years, or, I am going to another network to pull leverage. Conan actively. Tried to take Jay Leno's job and succeeded because NBC didn't wanna lose Conan. They didn't want Conan to create a competitive show on Fox, let's say, and go up against Jay and then take Jay Tank Jay's ratings.

And so they figured. That if they promised Conan the Tonight Show in five years, by that time, Jay's ratings would go downhill. Only. They didn't go downhill. Instead, Jay stayed exactly where he was and was being pushed out against his desires. He wanted to keep the show going and everybody said, Jay, you've done it long enough.

Let the next guy take over, which I would argue is ageism. Why should he step down to let somebody who is rich and already has a job take over? It makes no sense to me, and Conan's anger about it, um, directed at Jay also made no sense. To be fair, Conan has talked about his anger toward the executives, but he's the one who put the executives in that position by saying.

Put me in Jay's spot or else everybody knows Conan wanted the Tonight Show and was waiting for it and Jay was not leaving. So he strong-armed them and the network executives being cowards chose to abide by that. Demand and then realized it was a mistake and tried to keep both of them and in doing so, they destroyed Conan's chances of succeeding because he didn't have a proper lead in.

And they put Jay on at a bizarre time for a late show, and Jay did not succeed either. And so. Everything became a complete mess. But yes, in retrospect, I think that Jay got screwed in this situation. Now, if you know anything about late night history, one could argue, don't feel sorry for Jay. He did the same thing to David Letterman.

So I don't know, it's a deep dive. You can read the late shift if you wanna know more about that, but. My point being, I don't think this is as black and white as we were led to believe at the time when the media vilified Jay. That's what I have to say about it. And Jay, just in this situation, in this interview, simply recounted the facts.

He didn't color the facts. He didn't say how he felt about the facts. He literally just spoke the facts, gave you behind the scenes look, and you can decide for yourself whether you think Conan was wrong, Jay was wrong. Who knows? But these are network executives that made poor choices and allowed themselves to be swayed by not only the masses, but also their employees.

And I think it's important to note that. The audience should not determine the decision you make and your employees should not determine the decision you make. In the end, you're put in an executive position because you are the decider. You know what's best. And I think too often today people are swayed by the swell of social media, by the swell of, this is an injustice.

How dare you? You have to take a step back. And do the Steve Jobs thing where you tell people what they want before they even know it themselves. So there we go. That's my philosophical aside about the late night feud, okay. Let's move on lots of drama between Tommy Lee, the drummer of Motley Crew. Tommy Lee is married to Brittany Furlan, huge age difference. Tommy Lee is 62. Brittany Furlan is 38, and Brittany has found herself in a world of. Drama because she got catfished on social media apparently, and she thought that she was having a conversation with Ronnie Rat key of falling in reverse.

I've never even heard of that band, but here we are. Apparently they were exchanging messages and. Somehow she found, I don't know, the order of events. I think she found out she was being catfished. She knew it was about to be exposed. She confessed to Tommy. Tommy went nuts and confronted Ronnie rat key perhaps because he doesn't know what the word catfish means, and he thought it was the real Ronnie rat key.

So then try to follow me here people. Then the real Ronnie was so irritated by both Britney and Tommy's behavior that he went public and called Britney Furlan a stalker, and I. It's really embarrassing. And then, and then went in on Tommy and so it's all one big mess. And by the way, Brittany Furlan was like one of the first social media people and then when the market became saturated with huge social media influencers. For some reason Britney didn't capitalize on that it's just not what you would expect from somebody who kind of was one of the originators in the game.

But anyway. Brittany then posted a bizarre video where she attacked the real Ronnie Radkey for calling her a stalker.

Bro, like I don't. Care. It's a catfish. Cool. I got catfish. Why are you still harassing me? Why are you sending me hundreds of messages? Why are you trolling me? Leave me alone. That's it. So basically I told my husband everything. I said, you know, I've been talking to whoever I thought this was on Snapchat.

He says, it's not him. Cool. Whatever. The woman who's unfaithful always references her quote husband, instead of just saying, Tommy, like, just to be clear, he's still my husband and I confessed everything to my husband, and now my husband knows. Exactly what I've done. Here we go.

I've been going through a lot in my marriage. No excuse, whatever. I come clean to my husband. My husband freaks out, messages him. That's how this all started. I don't need to keep playing this. It's exhausting and ridiculous and it's her defending herself and saying she's not a stalker, but yet got catfished. But now the real Ronnie Radkey won't leave her alone. It's all very confusing. I think she.

Either did get catfished or isn't sure if it's true she got catfished. I have no idea. But the whole thing again, is a mess. And I'm not quite sure how you get messaged and don't know that it's not the real dude. Like, aren't I, I mean, I don't know anything about Snapchat, but aren't they verified?

Did you get his number at some point and FaceTime? Back to what I talked about at the top of the podcast with Josh Freeze. It's beneath her and it's beneath Tommy Lee to engage in this kind of. Juvenile bullshit back and forth, like keep it within the walls of your marriage and let this dude who you've confronted now rant on social media and just don't even respond.

Yeah, I've always like thought. Brittany Furlan was a strange character because Tommy Lee's son did a reboot of the hills, and on that reboot he referenced that his relationship with his father has become fractured because his father is using drugs and alcohol again, and he believes that his wife is not a great influence.

He attached this responsibility to the wife. Which again, I don't think is fully fair, but it did show you that even years ago, whatever was going on was very unhealthy in their relationship. And then I. Constantly see Tommy Lee in interviews, and to me, in my opinion, he still looks loaded.

So how long are you gonna stay in a relationship with this guy that is clearly not sober and for what, why but the moral of the story is. You know, I mean, don't flirt with randos on social media, especially if they have a modicum of fame.

What were you thinking? Aren't you supposed to like fuck your personal trainer or something? 

All right. Another story has come out about Meghan Markle in the New York Post, which hates her, and they say that ex British Vogue editor, Edward and in full. No longer speaks to Meghan Markle in spite of their previously good relationship because she was promised the cover of British Vogue. He couldn't make it happen, and she was so disappointed and felt somewhat betrayed and then cut him off and they no longer speak, and he's offered her other features since, and she has turned them down.

Uh, let me just say this. I've had enough, I've had enough of covering Meghan Markle and Prince Harry. I'm over it. I'm sure there are many people in Meghan Markel's past who dislike her. I'm sure there are many people in my past who dislike me.

These are facts.

These things happen. Yeah, I mean, relationships are complicated. They are up and down, and the press just hates Meghan Markle. She can't do anything. Right, and I'm just kind of on overload of hearing about it. Meghan Kelly does feature after feature bashing Meghan Markle. Pi Morgan just loves to bash Meghan Markle.

I get it. She's very annoying. I've seen clips of her, being so annoying. I feel compelled to talk about her on every podcast. Here I am doing just that. I am retiring. I'm retiring from talking about it. She rubs us the wrong way. Let's move on with our lives. We don't need to do full hours talking about her. We don't need to drag up a conversation between her and the British Vogue editor. Maybe she just got sick of him and doesn't wanna talk to him anymore. I don't know. It's a new me. It's a new me, and I'm.

Sick of bashing her. I'm over it. I'm moving on with my life. Okay, now, for the ending of this podcast, I'm going to play you a clip from the Kelly Clarkson Show where she sings with Lizzo. And I gotta tell you, I just love Kelly Clarkson. She is my numero uno and that will always be that way.

Twist. I'm doing great. I make that bit through look sexy anyway. Yeah, girl. I don't need him. I need to

real love, real life. Damn. I've been, he.

The ground. Oh, I'm

turn this.

Kelly Clarkson just makes everybody sound better. She's just incredible. I would propose that if the rumors are true and she's sick of her talk show that she instead do a variety show where she does an episode once a month and she has on musical guests that she admires and sings with them and leave it at that.

I don't think her skill is interviewing people. I think she's done a great job. I like her show. I like the format, but mostly because of the music and, uh, I would like to see her in a different format. I would like to see it. Just music. That's what I want. And so thank you for joining me. I am the Dish Master.

You are listening to entertainment news with a side of dish, and I will see you after Memorial Day. Have a wonderful holiday weekend with your family or friends, or loved one or by yourself. Goodbye.